HLC 1 - Cyber Evo - CLOSED

[RelaxedPRKid]

Mar 13, 2015 0:47:59 GMT GSR RoadRunner said:

Mar 12, 2015 22:53:57 GMT RelaxedPRKid said:

@ RR - great points on the view selection. You just hit onto something important as to how I have been racing. I did change view (to bumper), yet, I am still braking at the same point. I start braking at beginning of yellow dotted line. I know I am missing critical time. However, when I brake late I tend to lock the brakes up and mess it up.

Any ideas out there on how best to brake are welcome. To not take over the thread, please pm me with your thoughts/ideas on braking. Thank you!

PRKid
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The advice may help others so a pm would inefficient...

Anyway, braking is vary varied. You usually have two types of braking techniques..
1. Braking in a straight line - great from decelerating the car as fast as possible but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's faster 
2. Trail braking which is when you brake later, compared to braking in a straight line, but to make this useful, you'd turn into the corner about halfway which in my opinion - the best option to go for. I made up around 0.1-0.4 from trail braking.
But, depending upon your driving style either can be beneficial, but I'd advise TCS users to brake in a straight line and Non-TCS users to trail brake - the reason for this, is that with trail braking you can create a V around the corner so, why is the better? As you exit the corner, you're effectively exiting the in a straight line thus better traction = lower hot-lap times.

Obviously this is the opposite for TCS users - TCS uses the most efficient amount of power thus having the tightest line can be much less time consuming than creating a V thus usually 50 - 80 percent of the time this can be better.

You have to take into account your own driving style but test both of them out...

RR

Thanks RR, thus is certainly helpful.  I do NOT use TCS, thus, I will try your suggestion as I get comfortable going around the turn and braking at mid-point. (Did I get that correcT?)  So, I start the turn, then brake (somewhat hard since the car is still up on speed), then the car will slide and be straight (hopefully) on target for throttle on.  Sounds scary, lol...

Mar 13, 2015 0:50:09 GMT ToOSk3tChY said:

@pr I use bumper view, always have always will. Braking is about 2/3 red arrows in for me.

Thanks ToOSk3tChY!  Basically 1/3 after red starts, correct!

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[GSR RoadRunner]

Hopefully this diagram will explain what I mean - just quickly created it...
Red = Braking
Green = Rolling the car into the corner 
Blue = Accelerating

Left is obviously braking in a straight line, you'll notice that the red line starts sooner and there is a greater rolling the car into the corner but you can also see that it's a tighter line which with TCS, this can sometimes make a big difference in times reduction

On the right is trailing braking - less rolling in the corner and braking later but... you'll notice that you brake for a greater distance but from this, you can see that there is a much smoother exit out of the corner which is great for no TCS drivers.

Hope this clears up things...

RR

[RelaxedPRKid]

Cool, awesome RR...it does help a lot to have a pictorial view. Thanks for taking the time to pull this together.

Left pic is exactly what I have been trying to be consistent at for some time now. Will try right pic braking.

PRKid
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[iKasabian]

Mar 13, 2015 0:33:52 GMT GSR RoadRunner said:

I officially got the first 1:49.XXX Watch the Video to find out what that XXX is!!





There is at least 0.3 - 0.7 within that time...

RR

Absolute class, couldn't/can't run that smooth, I've only got a few tenths left with the PRT tune I used so will try relaxed tune next.

I need a wheel and pedals, think I've got the power input down pretty well but my steering inputs are jerky as hell (watch my replay from cockpit cam, miracle I do the times I do ..)

[ToOSk3tChY]

1.50.750


updating the tables now. Nice new screenshot feature is even better for verifying times now!

[iKasabian]

Mar 12, 2015 22:09:33 GMT GSR RoadRunner said:

The view isn't an assist on this game nor in my opinion do I think it's an assist, my reasons are as follow;

1. It doesn't improve time
2. Doesn't improve time consistency

The only problem with using cockpit is the wheel to wheel racing, it's a little more challenging to position your car when battling with someone of a similar caliber.

Think of it this way, when someone uses the line, changing view isn't much of a struggle as you basically follow the same procedure except just brake a little later if using Bumper, Bonnet or cockpit compared to chase near/ far.

If someone is using no line - that promotes re-practicing the braking points (assuming that you've changed the view) - however, if you haven't changed the view, you should effectively, in a hotlap, be able to produce similar times to that of someone using a different view but similar assists.

In conclusion, in terms of hot lapping - if you stick with one view which differs from the rest, that shouldn't hinder you in anyway.

Hopefully that explains what I mean,

RR

'Assists' come in all different forms, I could argue (I think with good reason) that I am seriously 'un'assisted thanks to having limited time to play Fm5, thanks to my 3yr old son walking infront of the TV when I'm on for a 1:49... or screaming that he's shit himself 5 mins later... or in the evening when fortunate to grab an hr my mrs is sitting next to me talking about her friend on FB who lives in wales who's she's not seen since childhood... kinda off putting, its off putting just knowing you are going to have your concentration broken at any second.... I could argue that not having a full nights sleep in 19mnths (the age of my daughter) has hindered me...somewhat. I created this scenario so cannot lay a 'blame' card on anyone but without the above would I now have that 1:49? Yea, most likely.

All that being said could I compete with the likes of you anyway? Nope, haven't got the inclination/brains/makeup, I'm more of a boyracer kinda driver, jump in and floor it. Someone with a Alain Prost mentality is always going to get the cream, and rightly so, to be the best / most consistent driver/hotlapper you need all the right ingredients, respect and jealousy to anyone who has it all!

[ToOSk3tChY]

I can relate to that entirely. I have 3 daughters, an 8 year old, a 2 year old and a 9 month old. I actually spend a hell of a lot more time here than on FM5. I can't generally get on the xbox until around 10pm or when the Mrs goes to bed as well so it is ALWAYS late when Im online and I work 5 days a week as well so today I am wrecked because I was hot lapping until 1am, 1 of my kids is ill so was up in the night and I was up at 6am for work. I develop this site mainly from work because its easier and keeps it away from my family time.

Its certainly nothing like the old days when all I did was play Forza every day for hours and hours a day and drink vodka, good times. If it were like the old days I'd be a lot faster I'm certain of that and this site would probably be a lot more developed lol.

[iKasabian]

Mar 13, 2015 12:08:03 GMT ToOSk3tChY said:

I can relate to that entirely. I have 3 daughters, an 8 year old, a 2 year old and a 9 month old. I actually spend a hell of a lot more time here than on FM5. I can't generally get on the xbox until around 10pm or when the Mrs goes to bed as well so it is ALWAYS late when Im online and I work 5 days a week as well so today I am wrecked because I was hot lapping until 1am, 1 of my kids is ill so was up in the night and I was up at 6am for work. I develop this site mainly from work because its easier and keeps it away from my family time.

Its certainly nothing like the old days when all I did was play Forza every day for hours and hours a day and drink vodka, good times. If it were like the old days I'd be a lot faster I'm certain of that and this site would probably be a lot more developed lol.

Wow, serious respect to yourself to have all that and STILL do all this work, I know I couldn't do it.

When I HAD the time I really should have learnt to tune, that was back in FM3 days when the tuning was alittle mad anyways... I was more into racing online with a six pack, good fun but now wish I invested my time more wisely. I've always wondered if I had a wheel and pedals I'd have competed better, now I don't have the room for one ....damn kids!! 

[ToOSk3tChY]

Thanks mate, I appreciate that

[GSR RoadRunner]

If uses ever want to do a private lobby and do a little hotlapping just thrown me an invite or send me a message to let me know.

RR

[GRD 4 3L]

Mar 10, 2015 14:39:39 GMT iKasabian said:

Did a 1:50'9 using GRD's tune, will have another go when kids ain't deliberately trying to put me off... think theres a second or so to come off it.

My driving must be off then . . . I updated the tune a bit with positive results but I need to focus more on the drive.

2S, I tried your tune and my time did not improve = my driving needs improvement . . . 

[ToOSk3tChY]

My tune needs improvement. I just drive around its problems lol. Follow kasabians ghost mate, I did and improved 4 tenths

[RelaxedPRKid]

I need improvements on both (tune a little bit, yet, DRIVING a TON!), lol....

Anyway, was able to shave off a little bit of time on my PB.....now @ 1:53.631 (LB ~9636). I can tell I am still messing up my braking and throttle-on timing and car coasts in many of the turns.....SO, I know I have time left with my skills. Just a matter to focus and be consistent lap-2-lap.

Crossing my fingers!
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[iKasabian]

Mar 13, 2015 19:22:59 GMT GRD 4 3L said:

Mar 10, 2015 14:39:39 GMT iKasabian said:

Did a 1:50'9 using GRD's tune, will have another go when kids ain't deliberately trying to put me off... think theres a second or so to come off it.

My driving must be off then . . . I updated the tune a bit with positive results but I need to focus more on the drive.

2S, I tried your tune and my time did not improve = my driving needs improvement . . . 

Ok, maybe a 'second or so' was being optimistic. Good tune but I found the PRT one easier to drive, especially the braking.

[ToOSk3tChY]

The car defo needs to take the curbs well here. The driver should be able to attack them confidently because being off line just a bit in the corners(avoiding curbs) costs tenths, im not saying all of them just a lot of them. Try and view/realize/position your car as early as you can to put the power down and exit, turn 4 is a good example as the exit is a little blind, the suggested line for 5 is a tiny bit wide for me as well . Coasting can and will in most cases still have you applying a bit of throttle as its usually not detrimental to your handling and will keep you at a constant speed at the very least instead of just coasting and letting the MPH drop(keep the car moving). relaxing the pressure on the trigger will get you more turn in just like releasing it entirely does but its better just to relax the pressure.

Practice throttle control:- Hold the brake down and practice applying the throttle so the needle is holding at each line on the rev counter/dial. Start with 1st line and hold it. Apply a bit more for 2 and hold it etc etc. This might be good throttle control practice for warming up PR??